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Petra

Petra Siq

 

El Siq

Petra fue escogida como la capital de los nabateos debido a su localización en un valle rodeado por montañas de arenisca. Hay muchas maneras de llegar a Petra, pero ninguna de ellas es fácil, y si los valles están cerrados, es casi imposible la entrada para cualquiera. La entrada principal a petra se llama Siq; tiene lados tan altos que llegan a los 200 m. Este cañón y el templo al final del mismo (El Kazneh) fueron popularizados en la cultura americana por la película Indiana Jones and Last Crusade. El mundo occidental había perdido conocimiento de Petra hasta que John Lewis Burckhardt hizo que sus guías beduinos lo llevaran allí en 1812.

 

El Kazneh

De las 800 tumbas talladas en Petra, El Kazneh es la más famosa. El nombre Kazneh significa "tesoro" y viene de la creencia beduina acerca del faraón que persiguiendo a los israelitas escondió su tesoro en la urna en la cima de el Kazneh. Las fachadas de las tumbas fueron construidas de arriba hacia abajo. Se construyeron andamios y luego se tallaron ranuras en la roca. En las ranuras se insertaron pedazos de madera, que cuando se mojaban, se expandían y partían la roca.

 

Petra Kazneh

 

Petra Calle Principal

 

Calle Principal

Tanto como 30.000 personas pudieron haber vivido en Petra durante el siglo I D.C. Es un error pensar que Petra era una ciudad solo para los muertos. Un gran terremoto en 363 D.C. destruyó por lo menos la mitad de la ciudad. Petra nunca se recuperó de esta destrucción.

 

El Monasterio

El Monasterio es la más grande fachada de una tumba en Petra. Mide 50 m de ancho y 45 m de alto. A pesar de su nombre, fue construida como un monumento funerario y pudo haber adquirido su nombre debido a las cruces talladas dentro de la misma. Tal como el Kazneh, la estructura consiste de dos pisos coronada por una urna esplendida. El detalle arquitectural del Kazneh no es evidente en este edificio.

 

Petra Monasterio

 

Petra Monasterio

 

Cima del Monasterio

Los académicos discuten acerca de quienes fueron los diseñadores y constructores de las tumbas de Petra. Probablemente fueron producto de los artesanos y trabajadores del lugar y artesanos traídos de Alejandría y Roma. Los monumentos son de estilo nabateo pero incorporan elementos clásicos, egipcios, y mesopotámicos.

 

Jebel Haroun

En la tradición beduina, Jebel Haroun es Monte Hor en donde el hermano de Moisés fue enterrado. La mayoría de los académicos rechazan esta idea y ponen al Monte Hor cerca a cades-barnea hacia el oeste. Algunos creen que Petra podría ser Sela en el Antiguo Testamento, en gran parte debido al significado del nombre (2 Reyes 14:7; Isa 16:1). Sela es "roca, precipicio, fisura" en cognados semíticos, y Petra es "roca" en Griego. Otros ubican a Sela justo al norte de Bosra, o creen que es una referencia general que significa "La roca, precipicio."

 

Petra Jebel Haroun

Otros Sitios Web en Inglés

Petra - Myth and reality (Aramco World Magazine) A lengthy article that sets the record straight about Petra's history and archaeology.

Petra (Walking in Their Sandals) Concisely provides general information about Petra's location and history.

Petra (BibArch) Briefly discusses the history of the site. Supports the (unlikely) view that Petra was ancient Sela.

Petra (Angus McInyre) Offers an in-depth description of the site through various articles, pictures, and a map. Click on the links to explore these features.

Petra Map & Monuments (Atlas Tours) Provides a detailed map and informative discussions about several of the site's features. Also contains a few photos.

American Expedition to Petra Homepage of the AEP project featuring articles about Petra's history and excavations.

Petra - The Great Temple Excavation (Brown University) The homepage of the Petra Great Temple Excavations which provides a summary of Petra's history and excavations, plus an in-depth study of the Great Temple.

The Complete Petra (Tim Spalding) A comprehensive collection of links to websites about Petra.

Petra: Capital City of Nabataea (Nabataea.net) Extensive presentation of pictures and information about the site. An in-depth virtual tour.

Petra: Lost City of Stone (American Museum of Natural History) Museum exhibit of Petra highlighting many topics about its history and exploration. Particularly noteworthy are the interactive 360 degree panoramas here.

Touristic Sites: Petra (The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan) Lengthy article about Petra's history and features, sponsored by the Jordanian government.

Petra Region, Jordan (SIR-C/X-SAR Space Radar Images of Earth) Radar images of Petra taken from space. Discusses some of the geological features of the area.

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Kadesh Barnea is located at Petra

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B. Etymology of Kadesh Barnea, Sela, Joktheel, Petra: .... (Cades) He believe there were actually two different places called Kadesh and openly discussed them.
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    Historical search for Kadesh Barnea from 50AD - Present

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    For 3800 years Kadesh Barnea was located at Petra. (2000 BC .... Eusebius stated that Kadesh was at Petra: Kadesh Barnea (or Cades Barnea): a. "Kadea ...
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    El-Beidha, Petra, Jordan: Biblical Kadesh Barnea, Sela, Joktheel, En ...

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    Josephus says Kadesh Barnea was located at Petra in 1406 BC. ..... Eusebius writes: "Kadesh Barnea (or Cades Barnea): "Kadea Barne. The desert which ...
  • Petra (LugaresBíblicos.com)

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    La mayoría de los académicos rechazan esta idea y ponen al Monte Hor cerca a cades-barnea hacia el oeste. Algunos creen que Petra podría ser Sela en el ...
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    ... cruzaron el Zered 38 años después de haber dejado Cades-barnea (Dt 2:13- 14). ... Este sitio es conocido como "La Pequeña Petra" por su parecido a Petra.
     

     

     

    El Lugar de Seguridad [194] - Christian Churches of God

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    Es alegado por los protagonistas del argumento que “Petra es el lugar de seguridad” que ..... Y Cades-barnea esta aproximadamente a 100 kilómetros de Petra.
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    Nlccm Amsterdam 2 Aniversario "Saliendo de Cades-barnea"con El ...

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    Kadesh (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Kadesh-Barnea is also a key feature in the common biblical formula .... Zin) and eastern Kadesh (often associated with Petra, Jordan in the wilderness of Paran).
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    Kadesh Barnea and Petra | 3amthoughts.com

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    Some have identified Kadesh Barnea with Petra: ... Kadesh was identical with Petra, “En-Mishpat, which is stated by Eusebius and Jerome (Cades) to have been ...
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    Estudio biblico de Deuteronomio 1:9-2:5 - Escuela Biblica

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    Y que desde Horeb hasta Cades-barnea que era la entrada a la tierra ..... el país donde está situada Petra, la ciudad excavada en la roca, conservada hasta el ...
     
     

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    Kadesh Barnea
    Located at ancient El Beidha, 5 km north of Petra

    Introduction:

    1. It is our conclusion that Kadesh Barnea is located transjordan, at ancient El Beidha 5 km north of Petra.
    2. Israel departs from Sinai for promised land after spending 11 months, 5 days at Sinai. Since they left on the 14th day of the first month, this means they had been traveling one year, one month and one week, since leaving Egypt. (57 weeks) So they left Sinai on 1:1:1! (year:month:week) They navigated about 20 stops over a period of between 10.5 and 11 months between Sinai and Kadesh Barnea. They arrived at Kadesh Barnea in the first of the month of the third year or exactly 24 months after leaving Egypt. (Numbers 20:1) They celebrated their second Passover at Sinai, then leave almost immediately afterwards for Kadesh. They arrived at Kadesh about 11 months later and immediately celebrated their third Passover. Therefore their arrival at Kadesh was the end of the second year and was marked by their third Passover. They spend 38 continuous years at Kadesh Barnea (they do not leave and come back), then depart for the Jordan in the 40th year.
    3. Israel spent 38 continuous years at Kadesh. They arrived in the first month of the third year after leaving Egypt. This is exactly two years or 24 months after leaving Egypt.
    4. There is one reference to the "Wilderness of Kadesh" and this is also marked on the Madaba Map: "The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness; The Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh." Psalm 29:8
    5. Although up to 25 different locations have been proposed for Kadesh Barnea, almost no one today questions that Kadesh is located at Ein el Qudeirat. We not only question this, we find that even suggesting Kadesh at Ein el Qudeirat creates great contradiction in scripture. Qudeirat is located 27 km east of the Wadi Al-Arish, which is the Biblical border between Egypt and Israel. This means Qudeirat is well within the promised land and for that reason alone, must be rejected as the location of Kadesh Barnea.
    6. We have no idea how Christians who accept the inspiration of the Bible as God's word, can even consider Ein el Qudeirat as the location of Kadesh. We have concluded that there are two key factors why this has happened. First is due to the fact that Qudeirat is located 5 KM west of the modern border of Israel determined in 1947 AD. It has never dawned on them that the modern border is 32 KM east of the Biblical border of Israel. However when this is pointed out, a few might wonder about it, but since virtually every Bible map since 1916 AD has placed Kadesh at Qudeirat, who are they to question the authorities who created the map in the back of their Bible. This leads us to the second key factor: Archeologists who simply do not believe the Bible as inspired. The vast majority of archeologists in the world simply reject all the stories as myth and untrue. This is even true for Israeli national Archeologists who teach in the universities inside Israel today! These faithless archeologists see no problem whatsoever in choosing a location for Kadesh deep inside the promised land at Qudeirat or a location for Mt. Sinai at Mt. Karkom. The fact this directly contradicts the Bible is not a problem since they do not believe the Bible anyway. Christians assume that if all the "experts" who placed Kadesh at Qudeirat on the map in the back of their Bible, had good reason for doing this. This is your personal wake-up call. Study the Biblical borders of Israel, then realize that any proposed location for Kadesh or Mt. Sinai must be outside the clearly stated boundaries of Israel.
    7. Good Bible students have been confused by the expression, "the border goes up south of Kadesh Barnea". (Numbers 34:3-5; Joshua 15:1-4) This is one reason why Christians have thought it ok to include Kadesh within the promised land. If the southern border "goes up south of Kadesh", then obviously Kadesh is north of the border... and inside Judah. But this is completely wrong and not what the Bible is saying. This critical error is discussed in this study of the Biblical borders of Israel. If you look at our map above, you can see that the border indeed changes direction and "goes up south of Kadesh to meet the Brook of Egypt". This proves once and for all, that Kadesh is located Transjordan. Petra fits perfectly!
    8. It occurred to us that Moses being forbidden to enter the promises land, but view it at Mt. Nebo. Yet Mt. Nebo later became part of the promised land as the territory of the tribe of Reuban. Further, we have the general promise to Abraham in Gen 15:18 to possess the land from the Wadi al-Arish to the Euphrates river. During the time of Solomon Mt. Nebo was part of the promised land. Yet even Kadesh at Petra was inside the land controlled by Israel under Solomon since he conquered the Edomites. The answer is simple to all this. First, Rueben asked for the land where Mt. Nebo was even though it was not originally part of the promised land and it was granted by way of concession and added to the promised land. Numbers 32:5; Joshua 22:25-27 clearly show that the tribe of Reuben set up the second replica altar on the east side of the Jordan so that later generations had proof that the land was indeed part of the promised land. Second, We know that the territory of Edom and Moab was specifically stated to not be part of the promised land. Israel was told when they passed through the lands of Edom and Moab to remember that God had given this land to them not Israel and to not interfere with them on their journey from Kadesh to cross the Jordan.
    9. Historically, before 1881 AD the almost unanimous opinion was that Kadesh Barnea was located transjordan east of the Arabah valley. Both Josephus 110 AD and Eusebius believed Kadesh Barnea was located at Petra. While our choice of Petra may be contrary to the view of modern archeology, it is the most ancient view of historians and does not contradict the Bible like Qudeirat or Qedeis do. The current choice for Kadesh Barnea at Ein el Qudeirat, located south east of Beer Sheba is the universal choice found on virtually all Bible maps since 1916 AD. Before this, Ein el Qedeis, located 10 KM south east of Ein el Qudeirat, was the choice between 1881-1916AD. In 1841 AD Robinson believed that Ein El Weibeh was the location about 38 km NW of Petra.
    10. Before the Exodus, Kadesh Barnea was known to the Patriarchs as En-mishpat: "and the Horites in their Mount Seir, as far as El-paran, which is by the wilderness. Then they turned back and came to En-mishpat (that is, Kadesh), and conquered all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, who lived in Hazazon-tamar." Genesis 14:6-7. During the time of Abraham, Kadesh had an active spring and well known spring. This is proven from the etymology of the name: [strongs: 5880] AV translates as En-mishpat = literally: "spring of judgment". From Gen 14:6-7 we learn that during the time of Abraham, (500 years before the exodus) the Horites, Amalekites, Amorites, Mt. Seir and Mt. Paran are all nearby the location of Kadesh Barnea.
    11. See also this document that chronological history of the search for Kadesh 2000 BC - 2013 AD

    Chronological History of the search for Kadesh 2000 BC - 2013 AD

    The search for Kadesh

    B. Etymology of Kadesh Barnea, Sela, Joktheel, Petra:

    1. "Kadesh-Barnea" as a compound word, is used 10 times. However the place is never referred to as "Barnea" exclusively without Kadesh. The bible refers to the place as "Kadesh" 18 times alone, without "Barnea.
    2. "Barnea" may mean "place of wandering in the desert". So Kadesh Barnea means: The Kadesh where they wandered in the wilderness. However, Smiths Dictionary in 1884 AD said: "Barnea means, desert of wandering". Eastons said this in 1897 AD: "Kadesh: holy, or Kadesh-Barnea, sacred desert of wandering" (Easton's Bible dictionary, 1897 AD) This is not certain and many draw a blank for "Barnea" and say it has no direct meaning and is likely a physical locator or simple name that is attached to Kadesh. No modern dictionaries suggest barnea = wilderness/desert wandering.
    3. Kadesh means "holy" and is one of many words that are derived from the parent word that is most commonly translated "holy":
      "qades: be hallowed, holy, sanctified; to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate." (TWOT)
      "Kadesh = "holy"." (Strongs enhanced)
      "Qadesh (873d); from the same as 6944; "sacred,"" (NASB Hebrew-Aramaic dictionary)
    4. The real question is WHY was the place called Kadesh and when. At the time of Abraham, Kadesh was known as "En-mishpat" Gen 14:7. Kadesh was known at the "Spring of Judgement" (En-mishpat). Notice that that the writer of Genesis (perhaps Moses) adds the parenthetical thought: "(that is, Kadesh)". This means that it was not called Kadesh in the time of Abraham. Two additional references to Kadesh at the time of Abraham are: Genesis 16:14; 20:1. The writer probably just substitutes for the Hebrews at Moses' time, Kadesh in the place of En-mishpat. There are other examples in Genesis of places that were called names that did not exist when the story is being told. The word "Jordan" in Genesis 13:10, refers to the Jordan river and valley. Yet this river was not called Jordan until after the time of Joshua. We can prove this because the word Jordan literally means: "down from Dan" or that which flows downhill from the territory of the tribe of Dan. "its name Jord (i.e. Yored, flowing down from), Dan (Bechoroth, fol. 55a); or the "stream of Dan" (Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850). Obviously if the modern name of the Jordan river owes its origin to the tribe of Dan, it was not called this before they actually began to occupy the land under Joshua in 1406 BC. Yet Genesis applies this name, first used in 1406 BC to events that took place in 2000 BC. The same is true with applying the name "Kadesh" to time of Abraham, even though it was really called, En-mishpat in Abraham's day and Abraham never heard the place called Kadesh.
    5. So En-mishpat became known as Kadesh Barnea as Israel lived their 38 years. they did not go to a place called Kadesh Barnea, they only named it Kadesh AFTER they have lived there.
    6. Why did they call it Kadesh? First is the connection with the dead. From the time of Joseph, who demanded be carried 500 years after he was mummified and buried in Shechem, down to the present day, Jews place great holiness on their dead.
    7. 1.5 million Hebrews died at "Kadesh" which was called holy because it was where the entire nation was buried after 38 years in the wilderness: "your corpses will fall in this wilderness, even all your numbered men, according to your complete number from twenty years old and upward, who have grumbled against Me. 'Surely you shall not come into the land in which I swore to settle you, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun. 'Your children, however, whom you said would become a prey—I will bring them in, and they will know the land which you have rejected. 'But as for you, your corpses will fall in this wilderness. 'Your sons shall be shepherds for forty years in the wilderness, and they will suffer for your unfaithfulness, until your corpses lie in the wilderness. 'According to the number of days which you spied out the land, forty days, for every day you shall bear your guilt a year, even forty years, and you will know My opposition. 'I, the Lord, have spoken, surely this I will do to all this evil congregation who are gathered together against Me. In this wilderness they shall be destroyed, and there they will die.' "" Numbers 14:29-35 (see also: Num 26:64-65; Deut 1:34-35; Psalm 106:26; 1 Cor 10:5)
    8. Today, in modern Judaism, the "Burial Society" is called the "Chevra Kaddisha" (Chevra = society; Kaddisha = holy). Jews have always place extreme importance on burial. Modern communities of Jews in Canada and the USA have been known to buy land for a cemetery, before they buy land for a synagogue. It seems odd that they would call their "undertakers" and "funeral homes" the "holy society". Why would they not call it the "burial society". There is a word in Hebrew for burial, but they chose the word "holy" instead. This odd choice of words is an ancient relic tradition that dates back to the exodus and the 38 years they spent at "Kadesh Barnea" (holy in the wilderness). Why would they call the place holy (kadesh)? Because the Jews spent 38 years there and 1.5 million Jews died and where buried at Kadesh. This all fits nicely with our view that Kadesh Barnea was located at or near Petra. Archeologists refer to Petra as "the city of the dead" "the city of tombs". We believe the time the Hebrews spent at Kadesh, and the burial of the dead at that location, is where modern Jews trace their tradition of calling their undertakers a "Burial Society" or in Hebrew: "Chevra Kaddisha" (holy society).
    9. It is very interesting that after the conquest, the name "Kadesh Barnea" falls into disuse. At the same time the term Sela is used for the very first time. The transition point is the death of Joshua. While Joshua lived the place Israel spent 38 years in the wilderness was called "Kadesh Barnea". After the lands was divided up into the twelve tribes, the same place started to be called Sela.
    10. Kadesh was abandoned by Israel in 1406 BC. It was immediately reinhabited by the Edomites who renamed Kadesh "Sela". Sela means "Rock".
    11. When King Amaziah of Judah faught the Edomites he captured Sela and renamed it "Joktheel". (2 Kings 14:7; 2 Chron 25:11-12) Altough there was another town in the Negev of Judah called, Joktheel, the two are different places. (Joshua 15:38) Joktheel at Kadesh/Sela was outside the promised land and was first called Joktheel by Amaziah. The Joktheel in Judah existed at the time of Joshua. Perhaps Amaziah was making some connection with the two locations for is own reasons.
    12. About 350 BC, the Nabataeans named the place Petra. It is they who are responsible for carving all the buildings into the multi-coloured rock. When the Nabataeans began to occupy Petra, they were aware of its historical use as encountered the place as a burial city between 1446 - 1406 BC. Perhaps this tradition had continued. If we are going to find remnants of the 38 year Hebrew stay at Petra, the place to look is in the place the "Wadi of Moses" washes into the Arabah Valley. The many flash floods would wash evidence of Hebrew occupation downstream.
    13. In modern times, Petra was discovered by John Lewis Burckhardt in 1812 AD. "The Anglo-Swiss geographer and traveler John Lewis Burckhardt 'rediscovered' Petra on 22 August 1812, and recognized its ruins as those of the ancient Nabataean capital city." (Petra: a guide to the capital of the Nabataeans, Rami G. Khouri, 1986, p11-27, p41-44)
    14. While Canadians defeated the Americans in the war of 1812, Kadesh Barnea was quietly rediscovered the same year. Now, 200 years after John Lewis Burckhardt, discovered Petra in 1812 AD, native Canadian Steve Rudd is bringing to light to the true location of Kadesh Barnea at Petra.

    C. 38 continuous years at Kadesh: Deut: 1:46; 2:14

    1. It is clear that Israel spent 38 continuous years at Kadesh.
    2. Some however, believe came to Kadesh for a short time but then left and wandered around for 38 years in the wilderness, then come back to Kadesh a second time for a short time. This is called the "two stops at Kadesh view".
    3. The list of Exodus stops in Num 33 traces their path from Goshen to the banks of the Jordan River. In this list, they came to Kadesh only once, then left to cross the Jordan. If they left Kadesh, and wandered for 38 years elsewhere and then returned, there is a complete silence in scripture about this. It is more logical to have them stay at Kadesh and not leave for the duration of the 38 years, just as Num 33 indicates.
    4. Three passages in Deuteronomy tell us they spent 38 continuous years at Kadesh. These three passages are a logical unit of thought and organization. The words of these three verses were spoken by Moses while standing on the southern bank of the Zered river. As they begin their final approach to the promise land, He contrasts the 40 years it actually took, with the fact it should have taken only 11 days: "It is eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of Mount Seir to Kadesh-barnea." Deuteronomy 1:2. Moses tells us they spent most of their time at Kadesh: "So you remained in Kadesh many days, the days that you spent there." Deuteronomy 1:46 Finally, Moses tells them they spent 38 years at Kadesh: "Now the time that it took for us to come from Kadesh-barnea until we crossed over the brook Zered was thirty-eight years, until all the generation of the men of war perished from within the camp, as the Lord had sworn to them." Deuteronomy 2:14. In other words, they spent 38 long and unnecessary years parked at Kadesh, when they could have entered the promised land 11 days after leaving Mt. Sinai!
    5. The Onomasticon (Eusebius 325 AD) listed two different Kadeshes. (Cades) He believe there were actually two different places called Kadesh and openly discussed them. This, of course was false, but the error creeped into the minds of later mappers.
    6. Historical maps from the 16th century, seemed to favor the "two stops at Kadesh view", but they also had two sets of Kadesh Barnea and two Petra on their maps! It seems they got this idea from the Onomasticon. They always viewed Kadesh as being directly beside Petra, but they did not know for certain where they were located. The location of the first set of Kadesh/Petra was near stop 26. The second set was at a completely different location at stop 33. Take a look at this map by Abraham Ortelius 1572 AD, for one of many a examples. But this two stops at two different Kadeshes in two different locations. It is not really the "two stop view" being proposed recently.
    7. In 542 AD. the Madaba map is an example of placing the same location twice because they were not sure of the location: The Madaba map has two sets of: Mt. Gerizim and Mt. Ebal. This was because the Jews had created a second location in order to discredit the Samaritan's claim to the ancient true location. Today we can know for certain that the Samaritan location was correct. But at the time the Madaba map was created, some confusion existed in determining who was right, so they put both locations on the map!
    8. Some misuse Numbers 20:1 as evidence that Israel came to Kadesh, but then left to wandered somewhere else for 38 years, then returned in year forty: "In the first month all the people of Israel arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried." Many commentators mistakenly believe this was the 40th year, but they are wrong. The verse tells us they arrived at Kadesh in the first month, but does not tell us the year! It does not say, "the first month in the 40th year". Since Israel left Sinai in the second month of the second year after leaving Egypt (14 months), this means they arrived at Kadesh in the first month of the third year after leaving Egypt or 24 months. See Exodus route calendar for more details.

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  • The account of their travel from Num 10:11-12 down to Numbers 12:16 follows the Numbers 33 list. However starting in Num 13, we skip about 18 stops and go directly to Kadesh in the narration. This kind of narration style thing is typical in both the Old and New Testament. In fact the statement that "the sons of Israel set out on their journeys from the wilderness of Sinai. Then the cloud settled down in the wilderness of Paran." (Numbers 10:12) is an summary verse of larger pattern of travel to Kadesh. When it says, the cloud settled down in Paran, that means at Kadesh. The section that follows discusses a few important things that happened before Kadesh (grumbling for meat at Taberah/Kibroth-hattaavah [ch 11]; Miriam's and Aaron's challenge to Moses Egyptian wife at Hazeroth [ch 12]) and events that happened at Kadesh: spying out the land; The man caught gathering sticks on the Sabbath; Koran's rebellion, death of Miriam, Moses striking the rock, Moses requests the kings of Edom and Moab for passage to get to the Jordan.) As we can see, these events spanned 38 years. They came to Kadesh once, then they left for the Jordan.
  • The key is to view the entire section between Ex 12:16 - 20:1 as an overview of the major events of the entire 38 years at Kadesh. It begins in 12:16 where they jump from Hazeroth forward 18 stops to Kadesh. This overview ends at 20:1, where it recounts they came to Kadesh in the first month after leaving Sinai (11 months later).
  • Some use the passages that they "in the wilderness" as proof they were not at Kadesh. But Kadesh was in three wildernesses: Zin, Paran and the wilderness of Kadesh: "The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness; The Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh." Psalm 29:8. So when they were at Kadesh, this was the wilderness. The word, "Barnea" actually means "place of wandering in the desert". (see above)
  • D. Bible events that occurred at Kadesh Barnea

    1. In 2000 BC, Chedorlaomer, king of Elam captured En-mishpat (Kadesh-barnea): Gen 14:7
    2. Miriam died and was buried: Num 20:1
    3. Moses strikes the rock, no water: (Meribah or Meribath-kadesh): Num 20:1-5 Ez 47:19; 48:28 Here is a detailed study about the water Moses provided by miracle at Sinai and Kadesh.
    4. Korah's rebellion where the earth split open: Num 16:31-34
    5. Spies were sent out: Joshua 14:7; Num 13:26 then disobeyed God by trying to enter the promised land when God said they were going to spend 38 years more in the wilderness: Num 14:34,42.
    6. Moses asked Edom permission to pass through the land: Num 20:14
    7. They spent 38 years in Kadesh: ""So you remained in Kadesh many days, the days that you spent there." Deuteronomy 1:46 "Now the time that it took for us to come from Kadesh-barnea until we crossed over the brook Zered was thirty-eight years." Deuteronomy 2:14. "So Israel remained at Kadesh." Judges 11:17
    8. Kadesh was one huge grave yard: 1.5 million Hebrews died at Kadesh, everyone over the age of 20: Numbers 14:29-35 (see also: Num 26:64-65; Deut 1:34-35; Psalm 106:26; 1 Cor 10:5)
    9. Amaziah recaptures Kadesh (Sela at the time) and renames it Joktheel. 2 Kings 14:7; 2 Chron 25:11-12

    E. Kadesh Barnea and Petra in the Bible:

    1. "Then they turned back and came to En-mishpat (that is, Kadesh), and conquered all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, who lived in Hazazon-tamar." Genesis 14:7
    2. "Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered." Genesis 16:14
    3. " Now Abraham journeyed from there toward the land of the Negev, and settled between Kadesh and Shur; then he sojourned in Gerar." Genesis 20:1
    4. "they proceeded to come to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation of the sons of Israel in the wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh; and they brought back word to them and to all the congregation and showed them the fruit of the land." Numbers 13:26
    5. " Then the sons of Israel, the whole congregation, came to the wilderness of Zin in the first month; and the people stayed at Kadesh. Now Miriam died there and was buried there." Numbers 20:1
    6. "From Kadesh Moses then sent messengers to the king of Edom: "Thus your brother Israel has said, 'You know all the hardship that has befallen us;" Numbers 20:14
    7. "'But when we cried out to the Lord, He heard our voice and sent an angel and brought us out from Egypt; now behold, we are at Kadesh, a town on the edge of your territory." Numbers 20:16
    8. "Now when they set out from Kadesh, the sons of Israel, the whole congregation, came to Mount Hor." Numbers 20:22
    9. "for in the wilderness of Zin, during the strife of the congregation, you rebelled against My command to treat Me as holy before their eyes at the water." (These are the waters of Meribah of Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.)" Numbers 27:14
    10. ""This is what your fathers did when I sent them from Kadesh-barnea to see the land." Numbers 32:8
    11. "They journeyed from Ezion-geber and camped in the wilderness of Zin, that is, Kadesh." Numbers 33:36
    12. "They journeyed from Kadesh and camped at Mount Hor, at the edge of the land of Edom." Numbers 33:37
    13. "'Then your border shall turn direction from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim and continue to Zin, and its termination shall be to the south of Kadesh-barnea; and it shall reach Hazaraddar and continue to Azmon." Numbers 34:4
    14. "It is eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of Mount Seir to Kadesh-barnea." Deuteronomy 1:2
    15. ""Then we set out from Horeb, and went through all that great and terrible wilderness which you saw on the way to the hill country of the Amorites, just as the Lord our God had commanded us; and we came to Kadesh-barnea." Deuteronomy 1:19
    16. ""So you remained in Kadesh many days, the days that you spent there." Deuteronomy 1:46
    17. ""Now the time that it took for us to come from Kadesh-barnea until we crossed over the brook Zered was thirty-eight years, until all the generation of the men of war perished from within the camp, as the Lord had sworn to them." Deuteronomy 2:14
    18. ""When the Lord sent you from Kadesh-barnea, saying, 'Go up and possess the land which I have given you,' then you rebelled against the command of the Lord your God; you neither believed Him nor listened to His voice." Deuteronomy 9:23
    19. "because you broke faith with Me in the midst of the sons of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin, because you did not treat Me as holy in the midst of the sons of Israel." Deuteronomy 32:51
    20. "Joshua struck them from Kadesh-barnea even as far as Gaza, and all the country of Goshen even as far as Gibeon." Joshua 10:41
    21. "Then the sons of Judah drew near to Joshua in Gilgal, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite said to him, "You know the word which the Lord spoke to Moses the man of God concerning you and me in Kadesh-barnea." Joshua 14:6
    22. ""I was forty years old when Moses the servant of the Lord sent me from Kadesh-barnea to spy out the land, and I brought word back to him as it was in my heart." Joshua 14:7
    23. "Then it proceeded southward to the ascent of Akrabbim and continued to Zin, then went up by the south of Kadesh-barnea and continued to Hezron, and went up to Addar and turned about to Karka." Joshua 15:3
    24. "The border of the Amorites ran from the ascent of Akrabbim, from Sela (Petra) and upward." Judges 1:36
    25. "'For when they came up from Egypt, and Israel went through the wilderness to the Red Sea and came to Kadesh," Judges 11:16
    26. "then Israel sent messengers to the king of Edom, saying, "Please let us pass through your land," but the king of Edom would not listen. And they also sent to the king of Moab, but he would not consent. So Israel remained at Kadesh." Judges 11:17
    27. "The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness; The Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh." Psalm 29:8
    28. "He killed of Edom in the Valley of Salt 10,000 and took Sela (Petra) by war, and named it Joktheel to this day. " 2 Kings 14:7
    29. ""The south side toward the south shall extend from Tamar as far as the waters of Meribath-Kadesh, to the brook of Egypt and to the Great Sea. This is the south side toward the south." Ezekiel 47:19
    30. ""And beside the border of Gad, at the south side toward the south, the border shall be from Tamar to the waters of Meribath-Kadesh, to the brook of Egypt, to the Great Sea." Ezekiel 48:28
    31. "Send the tribute lamb to the ruler of the land, From Sela (Petra) by way of the wilderness to the mountain of the daughter of Zion. " Isaiah 16:1
    32. "Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voices, The settlements where Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing aloud, Let them shout for joy from the tops of the mountains." Isaiah 42:11

    F. The Search for Kadesh Barnea must satisfy these pre-requisites:

    1. Must be outside the Biblical borders of the promised land. Israel did not spend 38 years "in the wilderness" in the promised land. Review this page: Excluded Exodus Routes: Nuweiba Beech, Bitter lakes, Gulf of Suez, Mt. Musa, Mt. Karkom, Ein el-Qudeirat. Remember that Ein el Qudeirat and Ein El Weibeh were not only within the formal stated boundaries of the promised land, but were also in the Negev. These alone disqualifies them as Kadesh and start looking in the right places.
    2. Kadesh Barnea, wilderness of Paran and Wilderness of Zin must be outside all boundaries of Israel, including the Negev. No Bible passage says that Kadesh Barnea, Paran or Zin were ever part is Israel or located in the Negev, or the western edge of the Arabah.
    3. From a careful study of the exodus route, we can determine that the general order of places is as follows: Starting at the Dead Sea moving south, you first hit the ascent of scorpions and the wilderness of Zin, then Kadesh, then Mt. Hor. Since Mt. Hor was located 3 miles south west of Petra, this places Kadesh at or just north of Petra, likely on the mountainous plateau, rather than in the Arabah valley below the cliffs. See southern border of Judah for details.
    4. Kadesh Barnea was on the border of Edom: Num 20:16. Archeology has proven the fact that Edom was historically transjordan (east of the Arabah) until they first moved into Judean territory after the Babylonian captivity. This means that before 586 BC Edom's territory was always transjordan. Ein el Qudeirat is no where near the border of Edom, which disqualifies it as Kadesh. Modern Bible maps make a grave error of locating Edom well into the Negev, not because of archeological evidence, but because they know the border of Edom was beside Kadesh. In a spectacular display of circular reasoning these maps bring the border of Edom right beside Ein el Qudeirat, where they wrongly believe Kadesh is located.
    5. There should be archeological evidence of Hebrew presence in 1406 BC at the location of Kadesh. Archeology has proven that Ein el Qudeirat was not occupied until 1000 BC, which disqualifies it as Kadesh and we need to keep looking. Ein el Qudeirat is a military fortification outpost built by David or Solomon on the border of Egypt (Wady El Arish)
    6. Kadesh Barnea was at the Wilderness of Zin: Gen. 14:7; Num. 13:3-26; 14:29-33; 20:1; 27:14
    7. The apocrypha says Kades (Kadesh Barnea) is in a general sequence that starts transjordan south past Kadesh, then over the Wady El Arish (river of Egypt) then to Egypt proper: "And to all that were in Samaria and the cities thereof, and beyond Jordan unto Jerusalem, and Betane, and Chellus, and Kades, and the river of Egypt [Wady El Arish], and Taphnes, and Ramesse, and all the land of Gesem," Judith 1:9

     G. The Spring at Kadesh Barnea:

    1. There are two places where Israel "contended" (Meribah or Meribath) with God and Moses struck the rock to bring water out miraculously: At Mt. Sinai and Kadesh.
    2. At Petra, the 1 km long Siq that the water was channeled down is called, the "wadi of Moses" according to ancient tradition. Eusebius writes in 325 AD: "Mt Hor: or. Mountain on which Aaron died near the city of Petra. There is now pointed out the rock which flowed for Moses (which Moses struck and gave water to the people)." (The Onomasticon and the Exodus route. by Eusebius, 325AD)
    3. Here is a detailed study about the water Moses provided by miracle at Sinai and Kadesh.

    Part II: Sources who affirm Kadesh is at Petra:

    It is moreover one of the few facts localised by anything like an authentic tradition,-in this case preserved by Josephus, the Talmudists, Eusebius, and Jerome, --that Kadesh was either identical, or closely connected with Petra. (Sinai and Palestine, in connection with their history, Arthur Penrhyn Stanley, 1856 AD, p84-99)

    A. 110 AD: Josephus: Aaron died on Mt. Hor at Petra:

    1. 110 AD: Josephus stated that the burial place of Aaron was at Petra.
    2. "Then it was that Miriam, the sister of Moses, came to her end, having completed her fortieth year since she left Egypt, on the first day of the lunar month Xanthicus. They then made a public funeral for her, at a great expense. She was buried upon a certain mountain, which they call Sin; and when they had mourned for her thirty days ... Now when this purification, which their leader made upon the mourning for his sister, as it has been now described, was over, he caused the army to remove and to march through the wilderness and through Arabia; and when he came to a place which the Arabians esteem their metropolis, which was formerly called Arce, but has now the name of Petra, at this place, which was encompassed with high mountains, Aaron went up one of them in the sight of the whole army, Moses having before told him that he was to die, for this place was over against them." (Josephus, Antiquities 4.82-83)

    B. 325 AD: Eusebius: Kadesh and Mt. Hor are at Petra:

    1. In 325 AD Eusebius (and Jerome in 400 AD) wrote the Onomasticon, which is a "dictionary of places".
    2. The Onomasticon says that in their day, you could still see the rock Moses struck at Kadesh and the tomb of Aaron were at Petra.
    3. At Petra, the 1 km long Siq that the water was channeled down is called, the "wadi of Moses" according to ancient tradition.
    4. Eusebius writes: "Kadesh Barnea (or Cades Barnea): "Kadea Barne. The desert which extends to (the city of) Petra a city of Arabia. There Mariam went up and died, and there the doubting Moses struck the rock to give water to the thirsty people. The tomb of Mariam herself is pointed out there even now. There also Chodollagomor beat the chiefs of the Amalakites." (Eusebius, Onomasticon, round brackets are Eusebius') Footnote #: 580. Kadēa Barnē. Numbers 32:8; K. 112:8; L. 270:4. Textual variant city of Palestinē (Greek) instead of Arabia. This reflects again the uncertainty of editorial additions and of the use of Arabia in the Onomasticon (K. 110:27). Latin combines K. 112:7 and K. 112:8. Some confusion in order of this and the next three entries. A summary of biblical information from Numbers 21:1, 11; Numbers 27:14 and Genesis 14:7. A tomb tradition is here. No location is given other than near Petra (K. 142:7). Procopius repeats the entry in 332D and 1021D. It also is reaffirmed by Jerome in Commentary on Ezekiel 38:23(cf. K. 46:26). In Interpretation of Hebrew Names "Cades, holy or change" (63); "Cades, alteration or holy" (80); "Cadesbarne, selected change or changeableness" (80). (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    5. Eusebius writes: "Mt Hor: ōr. Mountain on which Aaron died near the city of Petra. There is now pointed out the rock which flowed for Moses (which Moses struck and gave water to the people)." Footnote #: 979. ōr. Numbers 20:22, 28; K. 176:7; L. 291:88. Mt. near Petra (K. 142:7). Cf. K. 126:19 and K. 46:14 for Aaron's death. See K. 150:23 for Mt. Seir. Josephus Antiquities IV, 4, 7 tells of Aaron's death up on the mountain range that encloses Petra. In Interpretation of Hebrew Names "Or, passionate" (77) and "Or, light" (83). (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    6. Eusebius writes: "Kadēs. Where the spring "of judgment" was. Footnote #: 579. Kadēs. Genesis 14:7; K. 112:7; L. 269:3. Simple biblical notation. In Hebrew Questions Jerome says "Cades is a place near Petra called the spring of judgment where God judged the people". (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    7. Eusebius writes: "Bēroth. "Of the sons of Jakeim (Iacim)." Place in the desert where Aaron died. It is pointed out (still today) ten miles from Petra on the summit of the mountain." (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    8. Eusebius writes: "Beroth. "Of the sons of Jakeim (Iacim)." Place in the desert where Aaron died. It is pointed out (still today) ten miles from Petra on the summit of the mountain." (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    9. Eusebius writes: "Barnea (same as Kadesh Barnea): "Barne: This is Cades Barne, on the desert which extends up to the city of Petra." (Eusebius, Onomasticon, round brackets are Eusebius') Footnote #: 213. Barnē. Joshua 10:41; K. 46:26; L. 247:74. Identified with the desert stretching south of Petra (K. 142:7) and more frequently Kadēs Barnē (K. 112:8). (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    10. Eusebius writes: "Petra. City in the land of Edom in Arabia which is called Iechthoel. This is also called Rekem by the Assyrians (Syrians). Footnote #: 762. Petra. Judges 1:36; K. 142:7; L. 279:71. No letter division in the Vatican Greek manuscript here. Procopius 1048B has Petra in Idumala (K. 102:23). On Tabula Peutinger it is 48 miles south of Theman (K. 96:18). It is an important reference for the Onomasticon and all the Roman road systems. It is also called Rekem (K. 144:7 and K. 36:13). Mt. Hor (K. 176:7) is nearby. The Nabatean influence lasted into the Roman period of the Onomasticon. Petra was one of the Nabatean cities given autonomy about 106 A.D. with the establishment of the Roman Province of Arabia. It was a great city in the 3rd and 4th centuries. The Christians of Petra were persecuted by Diocletian. (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    11. Eusebius writes: "Rekem. It is also Petra, city of Arabia, "whose ruler Rocom the children of Israel killed. It is said he was also king of Madiam." Footnote #: 773. Rekem. Numbers 31:8; K. 144:7; L. 280:94. Identity and summary of biblical information (Joshua 13:21; Numbers 31:8; cf. K. 142:7 and K.36:13, for Petra, named Rekim by Josephus). In Interpretation of Hebrew Names "Recem, variety or painting". (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    12. Notice that Eusebius sees two different Cades, but the true Cades (or Kadesh Barnea) is next to the wilderness of Paran, also known as the desert of the Saracens: "Gerara. The Geraritike is now called after this, (the region) beyond the Daroma. Twenty-five miles south of Eleutheropolis. It is the old southern boundary of the Chanaanites and a royal city of the Philistines (metropolis of Palestine). It is located, as Scripture affirms, "between Cades and Sur" (i.e., between) two deserts. The one adjoins Egypt whence the people came having come through the (straits of the) Red Sea. The other (true) Cades extends up to the desert of the Saracens." (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD) Of course the Bible does not say that Gerar is between Kadesh Barnea and Shur, but that Abraham lived there, then moved and sojourned near Gerar. Eusebius and the Madaba map correctly place Gerar, but confuse its position in relation to Kadesh and Shur. Even today people misread Gen 20:2 the same way Eusebius did.
    13. Eusebius writes: "Asasan Thamar (Asasonthamar). Where the Amorrites dwelled whom Chodollagomor destroyed is located near the wilderness of Cades. It is said there is a village Tharmara (a fort Thamara) one day journey from Mapsis on the road from Hebron to Ailam. [Elat on the Red Sea, see Ailam] Today there is a garrison (Roman fort) of soldiers there." Footnote #: 8: Asasan Thamar (Asasonthamar). Genesis 14:7; K. 8:6; L. 234:84. On the Madaba Map there is a Thamara located as suggested by Eusebius here. Tabula Peutinger has a Thamaro 52 or 53 miles from Jerusalem while Ptolemy's list (V, 15, 5f) has a Thamaro about 55 miles distant. The Notitia Dignitatum (74:40) has a Tarba and (74:46) a Thamarra both of which have a garrison. Alt found a fort at Qasr el Juheiniye and he is followed by many locating the fort there and the village at 'ain el 'Arus. Aharoni more recently (TEJ, 1963, p.30ff) suggests 'Ain Husb which is about a day's walk (32 km) from Kurnub which is generally identified with Mapsis (cf. also Avi-Yonah) and has a large Roman fort as well as Nabatean and Iron II sherds. The Madaba Map using Jerome's spelling has located properly Mampsis. Many Nabatean, Roman-Byzantine levels excavated at Kuroub. It shows a revival in the fourth century A.D. as also does Oboda (Avdat, 'Abda, and K. 176:9).This may be indicated by "village" in Greek and "oppidum" in Latin (cf. K. 10:25). II Chronicles 20:2 identified Thamar with En Gedi or at least locates it in the district of En Gedi (86:16). Jerome in Hebrew Questions says, "his city which we now call Engaddi, is rich in balsam and palms since Asason Thamar translated into our language is city of the palms'" (18) (cf. Judges 1: 16, Ezekiel 47: 29). (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    14. Eusebius writes: "Ailam (Ailath). Is situated at the extremity of Palestine between the southern desert and the Red Sea where cargo was transported by ship from both Egypt and India. A detachment of the Tenth Roman Legion is stationed there. Properly called Aila today (it was formerly pronounced Ailath) from whence the ancient people the Ailamites whose king was Chodollagomor [who is mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles]. Another Ailam of the foreigners (of Palestine) is noted in Kings." Footnote #: 6: Ailam (Ailath). Genesis 14:1; K.6:17; L. 234:75. In the Vulgate we find Ailath, Elath, and Aila for this same site. Palestine is the southern part of Syria. This word is missing in the Vatican Manuscript. Technically the southern limits of the Onomasticon should be Ailam (Ailath). The ruins are inland about one mile from Aqabah but not as far inland as Tell el Kbeleifah which is probably the older Ezion Geber (K. 36:l, cf. K. 34:23, 62:13, Josephus Antiquities, IX, 12, 1). It was the end of the road going north to Damascus and the terminus of the overland road west to the Mediterranean. In Jerome's time it was a very busy port (Vita Hilariaris, 18, and cf. Commentary on Ezekiel 47:18). Eusebius does not indicate its size but it may be inferred that it was a polis. A bishop was present at Nicea. Eusebius uses some army source and the text is useful for noting the deployment of the Roman legion. The Tenth is located here. The Notitia Dignitatum (73:18f.) verifies this entry. The Tabula Peutinger, 820 has a Haila 83 miles from Petra and 150 miles southeast of Gaza which fits this site at el 'aqaba. The city in II Samuel 10:16 is in northeast Transjordan. The Syriac text notes it is a city of the Philistines. The Greek allophulos usually means Philistines but once or twice we cannot be positive, so in this present translation the general term "foreigners" has been preferred, especially when Jerome does not have Filistine. He has Filistine in K. 7:15, K. 21:2, K. 3:25, K. 119:3 but more often uses transliteration allofylorum (see Appendix I). (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    15. The Onomasticon references two "Kades": One near Gerar and but the "true Cades" at Petra. Eusebius places Arad near the Desert of Kadesh Barnea, but the Madaba map places Arad between Beersheba and Egypt rather than between Beersheba and the Dead sea. However the Madaba map is not to scale and has huge distortions of distance and relative size. "Arad. City of the Amorrites near the desert of Cades. There is now (shown) a village four miles from Malaatha, and twenty from Hebron. Tribe of Juda." (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)

    C. 400 AD: Jerome: En-mishpat, Kadesh, Spring of Judgement is at Petra: Gen 14:7

    1. "Gen 14:7: And they returned and came to the fountain of judgement, that is, to Cades. Because Cades was so named later on, it is specificied by way of anticipation; and it refers to a place near Petra, which is called 'The Fountain of Judgement', because God judged the people there" (Saint Jerome's Hebrew Questions on Genesis, translated by C. T. R. Hayward, p 46, Gen 14:7, 1995 AD)
    2. "Kadēs. Where the spring "of judgment" was. Footnote #: 579. Kadēs. Genesis 14:7; K. 112:7; L. 269:3. Simple biblical notation. In Hebrew Questions Jerome says "Cades is a place near Petra called the spring of judgment where God judged the people". (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)
    3. "No location [for Kadesh Barnea] is given other than near Petra (K. 142:7). Procopius repeats the entry in 332D and 1021D. It also is reaffirmed by Jerome in Commentary on Ezekiel 38:23(cf. K. 46:26). In Interpretation of Hebrew Names "Cades, holy or change" (63); "Cades, alteration or holy" (80); "Cadesbarne, selected change or changeableness" (80). (The Onomasticon, Eusebius, 325AD)

     

    Conclusion:

    1. Based upon the Bible, Kadesh Barnea must be located Transjordan in modern Jordan south of the Salt Sea
    2. Based upon history, geography and archeology , Kadesh Barnea is most likely located at ancient El Beidha 5 km north of Petra.
    3. http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-kadesh-barnea.htm

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    Número 33

    1. Estas son las jornadas de los hijos de Israel, que salieron de la tierra de Egipto por sus ejércitos, bajo el mando de Moisés y Aarón.
    2. Moisés escribió sus salidas conforme a sus jornadas por mandato de Jehová. Estas, pues, son sus jornadas con arreglo a sus salidas.
    3. De Ramesés salieron en el mes primero, a los quince días del mes primero; el segundo día de la pascua salieron los hijos de Israel con mano poderosa, a vista de todos los egipcios, (Osea el quince de NISSAN o PRIMER MES HEBREO, en la misma FIESTA DE LAS LEVADURAS. Es curioso que la tora le llama SEGUNDO DIA, osea que esta considerando como PRIMER DIA EL 14 DE NISSAN cuando se sacrificaba el cordero en el marco a EXODO 14)
    4. mientras enterraban los egipcios a los que Jehová había herido de muerte de entre ellos, a todo primogénito; también había hecho Jehová juicios contra sus dioses.
    5. Salieron, pues, los hijos de Israel de Ramesés, y acamparon en Sucot.
    6. Salieron de Sucot y acamparon en Etam, que está al confín del desierto.
    7. Salieron de Etam y volvieron sobre Pi-hahirot, que está delante de Baal-zefón, y acamparon delante de Migdol.
    8. Salieron de Pi-hahirot y pasaron por en medio del mar al desierto, y anduvieron tres días de camino por el desierto de Etam, y acamparon en Mara.
    9. Salieron de Mara y vinieron a Elim, donde había doce fuentes de aguas, y setenta palmeras; y acamparon allí.
    10. Salieron de Elim y acamparon junto al Mar Rojo.
    11. Salieron del Mar Rojo y acamparon en el desierto de Sin.
    12. Salieron del desierto de Sin y acamparon en Dofca.
    13. Salieron de Dofca y acamparon en Alús.
    14. Salieron de Alús y acamparon en Refidim, donde el pueblo no tuvo aguas para beber.
    15. Salieron de Refidim y acamparon en el desierto de Sinaí.
    16. Salieron del desierto de Sinaí y acamparon en Kibrot- hataava.
    17. Salieron de Kibrot-hataava y acamparon en Hazerot.
    18. Salieron de Hazerot y acamparon en Ritma.
    19. Salieron de Ritma y acamparon en Rimón-peres.
    20. Salieron de Rimón-peres y acamparon en Libna.
    21. Salieron de Libna y acamparon en Rissa.
    22. Salieron de Rissa y acamparon en Ceelata.
    23. Salieron de Ceelata y acamparon en el monte de Sefer.
    24. Salieron del monte de Sefer y acamparon en Harada.
    25. Salieron de Harada y acamparon en Macelot.
    26. Salieron de Macelot y acamparon en Tahat.
    27. Salieron de Tahat y acamparon en Tara.
    28. Salieron de Tara y acamparon en Mitca.
    29. Salieron de Mitca y acamparon en Hasmona.
    30. Salieron de Hasmona y acamparon en Moserot.
    31. Salieron de Moserot y acamparon en Bene-jaacán.
    32. Salieron de Bene-jaacán y acamparon en el monte de Gidgad.
    33. Salieron del monte de Gidgad y acamparon en Jotbata.
    34. Salieron de Jotbata y acamparon en Abrona.
    35. Salieron de Abrona y acamparon en Ezión-geber.
    36. Salieron de Ezión-geber y acamparon en el desierto de Zin, que es Cades.
    37. Y salieron de Cades y acamparon en el monte de Hor, en la extremidad del país de Edom.
    38. Y subió el sacerdote Aarón al monte de Hor, conforme al dicho de Jehová, y allí murió a los cuarenta años de la salida de los hijos de Israel de la tierra de Egipto, en el mes quinto, en el primero del mes. (EN EL MISMO DIA DE LA INDEPENDENCIA DE EEUU E INCLUSO EN EL MISMO DIA DE LA INDEPENDENCIA ARGENTINA EN UN MARCO LUNAR. PRIMERO DEL QUINTO MES, DIA NUMERO 119 DEL CALENDARIO LUNI-SOLAR HEBREO, MUY PROBABLEMENTE LA FIESTA DE PENTECOSTES. INCLUSO TAMBIEN ES EL MISMO DIA EN QUE ESDRAS LLEGA A JERUSALEM, DESPUES DEL EXODO DE BABILONIA EN EL MARCO A ESDRAS 7:9. (CLAVE INDEP. ARGENTINA 9 DE JULIO O 7/9)  ¿PORQUE LA RELACION CON AARON?)
    39. Era Aarón de edad de ciento veintitrés años, cuando murió en el monte de Hor.
    40. Y el cananeo, rey de Arad, que habitaba en el Neguev en la tierra de Canaán, oyó que habían venido los hijos de Israel.
    41. Y salieron del monte de Hor y acamparon en Zalmona.
    42. Salieron de Zalmona y acamparon en Punón.
    43. Salieron de Punón y acamparon en Obot.
    44. Salieron de Obot y acamparon en Ije-abarim, en la frontera de Moab.
    45. Salieron de Ije-abarim y acamparon en Dibón-gad.
    46. Salieron de Dibón-gad y acamparon en Almón-diblataim.
    47. Salieron de Almón-diblataim y acamparon en los montes de Abarim, delante de Nebo.
    48. Salieron de los montes de Abarim y acamparon en los campos de Moab, junto al Jordán, frente a Jericó.
    49. Finalmente acamparon junto al Jordán, desde Bet-jesimot hasta Abel-sitim, en los campos de Moab.
    50. Y habló Jehová a Moisés en los campos de Moab junto al Jordán frente a Jericó, diciendo:
    51. Habla a los hijos de Israel, y diles: Cuando hayáis pasado el Jordán entrando en la tierra de Canaán,
    52. echaréis de delante de vosotros a todos los moradores del país, y destruiréis todos sus ídolos de piedra, y todas sus imágenes de fundición, y destruiréis todos sus lugares altos;
    53. y echaréis a los moradores de la tierra, y habitaréis en ella; porque yo os la he dado para que sea vuestra propiedad.
    54. Y heredaréis la tierra por sorteo por vuestras familias; a los muchos daréis mucho por herencia, y a los pocos daréis menos por herencia; donde le cayere la suerte, allí la tendrá cada uno; por las tribus de vuestros padres heredaréis.
    55. Y si no echareis a los moradores del país de delante de vosotros, sucederá que los que dejareis de ellos serán por aguijones en vuestros ojos y por espinas en vuestros costados, y os afligirán sobre la tierra en que vosotros habitareis.
    56. Además, haré a vosotros como yo pensé hacerles a ellos.

    Número 20

    1. Llegaron los hijos de Israel, toda la congregación, al desierto de Zin, en el mes primero, y acampó el pueblo en Cades; y allí murió María, y allí fue sepultada. (ES CURIOSA LA MUERTE DE MARIA, LA HERMANA DE MOISES EN CADES BARNEA)
    2. Y porque no había agua para la congregación, se juntaron contra Moisés y Aarón.
    3. Y habló el pueblo contra Moisés, diciendo: ¡Ojalá hubiéramos muerto cuando perecieron nuestros hermanos delante de Jehová!
    4. ¿Por qué hiciste venir la congregación de Jehová a este desierto, para que muramos aquí nosotros y nuestras bestias? (SE REPITE EL MISMO PATRON DE EXODO 17. ESTE SUCESO SUCEDE EN PETRA, EDOM, EL CAÑON DE LA LUNA CRECIENTE. LA PELICULA DE INDIANA JONES "LA ULTIMA CRUZADA" ES EN EL MARCO A PETRA EDOM, QUE TIENE FUERTE REFERENCIA AL SANTO GRIAL.)
    5. ¿Y por qué nos has hecho subir de Egipto, para traernos a este mal lugar? No es lugar de sementera, de higueras, de viñas ni de granadas; ni aun de agua para beber.
    6. Y se fueron Moisés y Aarón de delante de la congregación a la puerta del tabernáculo de reunión, y se postraron sobre sus rostros; y la gloria de Jehová apareció sobre ellos.
    7. Y habló Jehová a Moisés, diciendo:
    8. Toma la vara, y reúne la congregación, tú y Aarón tu hermano, y hablad a la peña a vista de ellos; y ella dará su agua, y les sacarás aguas de la peña, y darás de beber a la congregación y a sus bestias.
    9. Entonces Moisés tomó la vara de delante de Jehová, como él le mandó.
    10. Y reunieron Moisés y Aarón a la congregación delante de la peña, y les dijo: ¡Oíd ahora, rebeldes! ¿Os hemos de hacer salir aguas de esta peña?
    11. Entonces alzó Moisés su mano y golpeó la peña con su vara dos veces; y salieron muchas aguas, y bebió la congregación, y sus bestias.
    12. Y Jehová dijo a Moisés y a Aarón: Por cuanto no creísteis en mí, para santificarme delante de los hijos de Israel, por tanto, no meteréis esta congregación en la tierra que les he dado.
    13. Estas son las aguas de la rencilla, por las cuales contendieron los hijos de Israel con Jehová, y él se santificó en ellos.
    14. Envió Moisés embajadores al rey de Edom desde Cades, diciendo: Así dice Israel tu hermano: Tú has sabido todo el trabajo que nos ha venido;
    15. cómo nuestros padres descendieron a Egipto, y estuvimos en Egipto largo tiempo, y los egipcios nos maltrataron, y a nuestros padres;
    16. y clamamos a Jehová, el cual oyó nuestra voz, y envió un ángel, y nos sacó de Egipto; y he aquí estamos en Cades, ciudad cercana a tus fronteras. (CADES BARNEA, TIENE FUERTE MARCO CON PETRA, EDOM, QUE TIENE FUERTE RELACION CON EL VATICANO, DISEÑADO EN FUNCION A LA LUNA CRECIENTE. ¿PORQUE EL MARCO DE PURIM CON DICHA LUNA?- MISTERIO. ESTO CONFIRMA LA RELACION CON LA FRONTERA/MARCA EN EL MARCO A LA PASCUA.)
    17. Te rogamos que pasemos por tu tierra. No pasaremos por labranza, ni por viña, ni beberemos agua de pozos; por el camino real iremos, sin apartarnos a diestra ni a siniestra, hasta que hayamos pasado tu territorio.
    18. Edom le respondió: No pasarás por mi país; de otra manera, saldré contra ti armado.
    19. Y los hijos de Israel dijeron: Por el camino principal iremos; y si bebiéremos tus aguas yo y mis ganados, daré el precio de ellas; déjame solamente pasar a pie, nada más.
    20. Pero él respondió: No pasarás. Y salió Edom contra él con mucho pueblo, y mano fuerte.
    21. No quiso, pues, Edom dejar pasar a Israel por su territorio, y se desvió Israel de él.
    22. Y partiendo de Cades los hijos de Israel, toda aquella congregación, vinieron al monte de Hor. (¿LA CONSTELACION DE OR-ION NO TENDRA RELACION CON EL MONTE DE HOR? LA INDEPENDENCIA DE EEUU TIENE FUERTE MARCO CON ORION Y EL PARALELO 33.)
    23. Y Jehová habló a Moisés y a Aarón en el monte de Hor, en la frontera de la tierra de Edom, diciendo:
    24. Aarón será reunido a su pueblo, pues no entrará en la tierra que yo di a los hijos de Israel, por cuanto fuisteis rebeldes a mi mandamiento en las aguas de la rencilla.
    25. Toma a Aarón y a Eleazar su hijo, y hazlos subir al monte de Hor, (Aparentemente ELEAZAR, EL NOMBRE HEBREO DE LAZARO, e incluso en el contexto a la RESURRECCION DE LAZARO, es un TIPO DEL GRIAL. Esto tiene relacion con ABRAHAM E ISAAC en el MARCO AL MONTE MORIAH. ¿SI ESTO ES ASI, PORQUE LA REFERENCIA, INSISTO, es con el HIJO DE AARON?)
    26. y desnuda a Aarón de sus vestiduras, y viste con ellas a Eleazar su hijo; porque Aarón será reunido a su pueblo, y allí morirá.
    27. Y Moisés hizo como Jehová le mandó; y subieron al monte de Hor a la vista de toda la congregación.
    28. Y Moisés desnudó a Aarón de sus vestiduras, y se las vistió a Eleazar su hijo; y Aarón murió allí en la cumbre del monte, y Moisés y Eleazar descendieron del monte. (Es como se vuelve a repetir CUANDO ABRAHAM BAJA DEL MONTE MORIAH CON ISAAC, PERO ESTA VEZ ES MOISES CON EL HIJO DE AARON. ¿INSISTO, SI ESTO ES ASI, PORQUE?.)
    29. Y viendo toda la congregación que Aarón había muerto, le hicieron duelo por treinta días todas la familias de Israel.
    LA INDEPENDENCIA DE ESTADOS UNIDOS, YA HEMOS DEMOSTRADO POR LA GRACIA DE DIOS, QUE ESTA EN FUNCION A LA SERIE DE FIBONACCI (RELACIONADO CON EL NUMERO PHI=1.618) E INCLUSO TAMBIEN CON EL 666
    222=37X6X1
    222=37X6X1
    444=37X6X2
    666=37X6X3
    1110=37X30=37X6X5
    1776=37X48=37X6X8
    1,1,2,3,5 Y 8 SON NUMEROS DE LA SERIE DE FIBONACCI/ NUMERO DE ORO PHI. Digamos que en PHILADELPHIA esta en clave el NUMERO DE ORO PHI e incluso tambien por el contexto con PEDRO es una REFERENCIA A MATEO 16:18 (NUMERO DE ORO PHI). La ROCA es BENJAMIN/LOBO/PERRO/CHACAL/CAN MAYOR/SIRIO. ES por esto que el 4 de JULIO SIRIO ESTA EN CONJUNCION CON EL SOL. TODA ESTA CLAVE INCLUSO ESTA EN EL MISMO VATICANO ADONDE SIRIO es el mismo TEMPLO DE SAN PEDRO. Recordemos que el TABERNACULO Y EL TEMPLO DE SOLOMON ESTABAN DISEÑADOS EN FUNCION A DICHA CONSTELACION. GOD/DOG/47/74 / INDEPENDENCIA DE ESTADOS UNIDOS. YHWH, PERMITE QUE CRISTO, EN EL CONTEXTO A VESICA PISCIS, lo tome a PEDRO para UNIR A VESICA PISCIS CON MATEO 16:18 (NUMERO DE ORO). Todo esto no es casualidad sino que causalidad. YHWH MANEJA TODO Y EN NUESTRAS NARICES SE CUMPLEN PROFECIAS BIBLICAS Y NOSOTROS NO NOS DAMOS CUENTA. DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS SALIO EL CODIGO DA VINCI E INCLUSO EN EL 227 (REFERENCIA A 22/7=3.14) ANIVERSARIO DE SU INDEPENDENCIA EN EL AÑO 2003, EN EL AÑO DE MARTE.
    Washington night
     
     
    LA LLAVE(ORION) EN EL HORIZONTE/HORUS/SOL ROJO/MARTE EN EL CONTEXTO A LA SALIDA DEL SOL.
    A 33 GRADOS ESTAN LAS PLEYADES.
     
    HOR-IZONTE/H-ORION/HOR-US/US/UNITED STATES
    MONTE HOR=UNITED STATES=US

    Respuesta  Mensaje 6 de 59 en el tema 
    De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 08/03/2014 01:05
    Juan
    21:1 Después de esto, Jesús se manifestó otra vez a sus discípulos junto al mar de Tiberias; y se manifestó de esta manera:
    21:2 Estaban juntos Simón Pedro, Tomás llamado el Dídimo, Natanael el de Caná de Galilea, los hijos de Zebedeo, y otros dos de sus discípulos.
    (Natanael, en el contexto a JUAN 1, osea a la HIGUERA y a la ESCALERA DE JACOB, tiene fuerte relacion esoterica con el LINAJE. EN LAS BODAS DE CANA FUE QUE CRISTO TRANSFORMO EL AGUA EN VINO, osea una referencia a su sangre. No nos olvidemos el PACTO DAVIDICO DE NATAN DE 2 DE SAMUEL 7 CON REFERENCIA AL LINAJE. Natan, aparentemente, tambien tiene RELACION ESOTERICA CON JONATAN, EL HIJO DE SAUL, QUE ERA DE LA TRIBU DE BENJAMIN QUE AMABA A DAVID. Justamene DAVID significa AMADO. CONCRETAMENTE DAVID TIENE FUERTE RELACION CON BENJAMIN, PERRO, CHACAL, LOBO, SIRIO Y CAN MAYOR. LA SALIDA HELIACA DE SIRIO, ES ACTUALMENTE EL 6 DE AGOSTO, OSEA EL MISMO DIA DE LA TRANSFIGURACION DE CRISTO QUE TIENE FUERTE RELACION CON JUAN Y SANTIAGO, LOS HIJOS DE LA SALOME, OSEA EL 911 MISMO.) 
     
    21:3 Simón Pedro les dijo: Voy a pescar. Ellos le dijeron: Vamos nosotros también contigo. Fueron, y entraron en una barca; y aquella noche no pescaron nada.
    21:4 Cuando ya iba amaneciendo, se presentó Jesús en la playa; mas los discípulos no sabían que era Jesús.
    21:5 Y les dijo: Hijitos, ¿tenéis algo de comer? Le respondieron: No.
    21:6 El les dijo: Echad la red a la derecha de la barca, y hallaréis. Entonces la echaron, y ya no la podían sacar, por la gran cantidad de peces.
    21:7 Entonces aquel discípulo a quien Jesús amaba dijo a Pedro: ¡Es el Señor! Simón Pedro, cuando oyó que era el Señor, se ciñó la ropa (porque se había despojado de ella), y se echó al mar. (Vemos otro nexo PEDRO CON EL DISCIPULO AMADO. ES OBVIA LA RELACION PEDRO CON MARCOS, DISCIPULO AMADO, EN FUNCION A 1 DE PEDRO 5:13)
    21:8 Y los otros discípulos vinieron con la barca, arrastrando la red de peces, pues no distaban de tierra sino como doscientos codos.
    21:9 Al descender a tierra, vieron brasas puestas, y un pez encima de ellas, y pan.
    21:10 Jesús les dijo: Traed de los peces que acabáis de pescar.
    21:11 Subió Simón Pedro, y sacó la red a tierra, llena de grandes peces, ciento cincuenta y tres; y aun siendo tantos, la red no se rompió.
     
    OJO DE GATO=OJO DE RA=OJO DE YHWH
    OJO DE GATO=VESICA PISCIS
    EL OJO DE GATO ESTA DISEÑADO EN FUNCION A VESICA PISCIS (JUAN 21:11), OSEA AL NUMERO 153.
    2. Apocalipsis 3:7: Escribe al ángel de la iglesia en FILADELFIA: Esto dice el Santo, el Verdadero, el que tiene la llave de David, el que abre y ninguno cierra, y cierra y ninguno abre:
    FILADELFIA=PHILA-DELPHIA=DELPHINUS=PUERTA DE ACUARIO =ERA DE ACUARIO. El ingreso a la ERA DE ACUARIO esta en funcion a la PRECESION DE LOS EQUINOCCIOS. Sabemos que en la RESURRECCION DE NUESTRO SEÑOR SE INGRESO EN LA ERA DE PISCIS. LA CONSTELACION "OJOS DE GATO" ESTA EN EL CENTRO DEL MOVIMIENTO DEL EJE DE LA TIERRA EN FUNCION A DICHO MOVIMIENTO. ESTO EXPLICA LA RELACION CIENTIFICA ENTRE LA PRECESION CON EL NUMERO 153/"OJOS DE GATO". FILADELFIA ES LA CIUDAD ADONDE LOS EEUU LOGRARON LA INDEPENDENCIA EL 2/4 DE JULIO DE 1776. ESOTERICAMENTE CRISTO, EN UN CONTEXTO DE MUCHA PROFUNDIDAD ESTA HACIENDO ESA REFERENCIA.
    LA PIRAMIDE DE LOUVRE ESTA DISEÑADA EN FUNCION AL ROMBO DE VESICA PISCIS E INCLUSO AL NUMERO 666 (TALENTOS DE ORO DEL REY SOLOMON). LA INDEPENDENCIA DE ESTADOS UNIDOS, YA HEMOS DEMOSTRADO POR LA GRACIA DE DIOS, QUE ESTA EN FUNCION A LA SERIE DE FIBONACCI (RELACIONADO CON EL NUMERO PHI=1.618) E INCLUSO TAMBIEN CON EL 666.
    222=37X6X1
    222=37X6X1
    444=37X6X2
    666=37X6X3
    1110=37X30=37X6X5
    1776=37X48=37X6X8
    1,1,2,3,5 Y 8 SON NUMEROS DE LA SERIE DE FIBONACCI/ NUMERO DE ORO PHI. Digamos que en PHILADELPHIA esta en clave el NUMERO DE ORO PHI e incluso tambien por el contexto con PEDRO es una REFERENCIA A MATEO 16:18 (NUMERO DE ORO PHI). La ROCA es BENJAMIN/LOBO/PERRO/CHACAL/CAN MAYOR/SIRIO. ES por esto que el 4 de JULIO SIRIO ESTA EN CONJUNCION CON EL SOL. TODA ESTA CLAVE INCLUSO ESTA EN EL MISMO VATICANO ADONDE SIRIO es el mismo TEMPLO DE SAN PEDRO. Recordemos que el TABERNACULO Y EL TEMPLO DE SOLOMON ESTABAN DISEÑADOS EN FUNCION A DICHA CONSTELACION. GOD/DOG/47/74 / INDEPENDENCIA DE ESTADOS UNIDOS. YHWH, PERMITE QUE CRISTO, EN EL CONTEXTO A VESICA PISCIS, lo tome a PEDRO para UNIR A VESICA PISCIS CON MATEO 16:18 (NUMERO DE ORO). Todo esto no es casualidad sino que causalidad. YHWH MANEJA TODO Y EN NUESTRAS NARICES SE CUMPLEN PROFECIAS BIBLICAS Y NOSOTROS NO NOS DAMOS CUENTA. DE LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS SALIO EL CODIGO DA VINCI E INCLUSO EN EL 227 (REFERENCIA A 22/7=3.14) ANIVERSARIO DE SU INDEPENDENCIA EN EL AÑO 2003, EN EL AÑO DE MARTE.
     FILADELFIA/PHI-LADEL-PHI-A/PHI=1.618033 tambien es una referencia a la FILADELFIA/RABA/AMMAN ciudad de 7 colinas, que tiene relacion con el nacimiento del REY SOLOMON, NUEVO BENJAMIN, HIJO DEL SOL/DAVID Y LUNA/BETZABE. OSEA QUE EL MISMO FILADELFIA ES UN NEXO CON JANUKAH/PLEYADES. INSISTO, TODO ESTA CODIFICADO PORQUE HAY UN DIOS TODOPODEROSO QUE MUEVE LOS HILOS DE LA HISTORIA. YHWH ES LA HISTORIA PARA MALDICION DE AQUELLOS QUE LE HUYEN A LA VERDAD. RABBAH ES UN NEXO CON OSHANAH RABBAH (21 DE TISHRI O 21 DEL SEPTIMO MES) QUE JUSTAMENTE TIENE FUERTE RELACION CON EL UNGIMIENTO DE BETANIA EN LOS PIES DE NUESTRO SEÑOR POR NUESTRA MADRE MARIA LA MAGDALENA.
     
     

    Rabá

     
     1. Ciudad con aldeas asociadas en la zona montañosa de Judá (Jos. 15.60), posiblemente la Rubute de las cartas de Amarna y Tutmosis III, que se encontraba en la región de Gezer.
    2. Capital de Amón, ahora Ammán, capital de Jordania, 35 km al E del río Jordán. Su nombre completo aparece en Dt. 3.11; 2 S. 12.26; 17.27; Jer. 49.2; Ez. 21.20 como “Rabá de los hijos de Amón” (rabbat bƒneÆ ammoÆn) que se abrevia Rabá (rabbaÆ) en 2 S. 11.11; 12.27; Jer. 49.3, etc. Evidentemente este nombre significa “ciudad principal” (LXX tiene akra, ‘ciudadela’, en Dt. 3.11). El ataúd (°nbe “sarcófago”) de hierro de Og, rey de Basán, se encontraba allí (Dt. 3.11; °vrv2 “cama de hierro”).
     

    Apocalipsis 1

    1. La revelación de Jesucristo, que Dios le dio, para manifestar a sus siervos las cosas que deben suceder pronto; y la declaró enviándola por medio de su ángel a su siervo Juan, (Dios le dio, es una expresion que demuestra que CRISTO NO ES DIOS INTRINSECO. DIOS ES OMNISAPIENTE Y NO NECESITA QUE NADIE LE DE. Noten el termino SIERVO que tiene fuerte connotacion con el SALMO 119)
    2. que ha dado testimonio de la palabra de Dios, y del testimonio de Jesucristo, y de todas las cosas que ha visto.
    3. Bienaventurado el que lee, y los que oyen las palabras de esta profecía, y guardan las cosas en ella escritas; porque el tiempo está cerca.
    4. Juan, a las siete iglesias que están en Asia: Gracia y paz a vosotros, del que es y que era y que ha de venir, y de los siete espíritus que están delante de su trono; (LAS SIETE IGLESIAS SON UNA REFERENCIA A LAS PLEYADES)

    The seven stars are not mentioned again until Rev. 1:16, 1:20, 2:1, 3:1 as the seven churches in Asia

    The Seven Churches

     

    The Seven Churches of Asia

    5. y de Jesucristo el testigo fiel, el primogénito de los muertos, y el soberano de los reyes de la tierra. Al que nos amó, y nos lavó de nuestros pecados con su sangre,
    6. y nos hizo reyes y sacerdotes para Dios, su Padre; a él sea gloria e imperio por los siglos de los siglos. Amén. (La palabra separa bien la DIVINIDAD DE YHWH, QUE ES PADRE DE CRISTO)
     
    Siguiendo estudiando el 17 del septimo mes (Genesis 8:4) es curioso que desde el 1 de enero hasta el 17/7 tenemos 198 dias (la misma cantidad de dias que hay desde el 1 de Nissan hasta el 21 de Tisri). Otro dato contextual es que en el 17/9/1787 (17 de septiembre o septimo mes) dia que se impuso la CONSTITUCION DE LOS EEUU, en el contexto a LUNA NUEVA EN LUNA LLENA CAYO TAMBIEN EL 21 DE TISRI, OSEA OSHANAH RABBAH.
    RABA/AMMAN/FILADELFIA/7 COLINAS
     
     
    TRABAJO=RABA=FILADELFIA
    FILADELFIA=UTERO DE ISIS
    RABA TIENE NEXO CON LA LLAVE DE DAVID, OSEA EL GRIAL Y POR ESO ERA UNA CIUDAD QUE TENIA 7 COLINAS/PLEYADES/TAURO. En la Biblia, en el contexto a que DAVID toma la misma, NACE EL REY SALOMON.
     
    145. 2 Samuel 12:21: Y le dijeron sus siervos: ¿Qué es esto que has hecho? Por el niño, viviendo aún, ayunabas y lloRABAs; y muerto él, te levantaste y comiste pan.

    146. 2 Samuel 12:22: Y él respondió: Viviendo aún el niño, yo ayunaba y lloRABA, diciendo: ¿Quién sabe si Dios tendrá compasión de mí, y vivirá el niño?
     
    2. 2 Samuel 12:24: Y consoló David a Betsabé su mujer, y llegándose a ella durmió con ella; y ella le dio a luz un hijo, y llamó su nombre Salomón, al cual amó Jehová, (SALOMON ES TIPO DEL DISCIPULO AMADO, OSEA JUAN MARCOS, EL HIJO DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO Y MARIA MAGDALENA) 

    147. 2 Samuel 12:26: Joab peleaba contra Rabá de los hijos de Amón, y tomó la ciudad real.

    148. 2 Samuel 12:27: Entonces envió Joab mensajeros a David, diciendo: Yo he puesto sitio a Rabá, y he tomado la ciudad de las aguas.

    149. 2 Samuel 12:29: Y juntando David a todo el pueblo, fue contra Rabá, y combatió contra ella, y la tomó.

    150. 2 Samuel 12:31: Sacó además a la gente que estaba en ella, y los puso a tRABAjar con sierras, con trillos de hierro y hachas de hierro, y además los hizo tRABAjar en los hornos de ladrillos; y lo mismo hizo a todas las ciudades de los hijos de Amón. Y volvió David con todo el pueblo a Jerusalén.
     

    Respuesta  Mensaje 7 de 59 en el tema 
    De: BARILOCHENSE6999 Enviado: 09/03/2014 05:57
     
    EL SANTO GRIAL ESTA CODIFICADO EN EL DISEÑO DEL VATICANO EN FUNCION A VENUS/VIERNES /SEXTO DIA/ SEX / ESTRELLA DE 6 PUNTAS
    1 Pedro 5:13: La iglesia que está en Babilonia, elegida juntamente con vosotros, y Marcos mi HIJO, os saludan.

     Versiculo que esta en clave. INTERRELACIONA BABILONIA (BABYLON EN INGLES-BABY ES BEBE) CON LA IGLESIA/MARIA MAGDALENA Y JUAN MARCOS. OBVIAMENTE PEDRO LE LLAMA "MI HIJO" EN UN CONTEXTO A QUE EL MISMO FUE HIJO DE NUESTRO SEÑOR JESUCRISTO Y MARIA MAGDALENA. ¿PORQUE EL FUERTE NEXO JUAN MARCOS CON PEDRO?

     

    Mateo
    16:1 Vinieron los fariseos y los saduceos para tentarle, y le pidieron que les mostrase señal del cielo.
    16:2 Mas él respondiendo, les dijo: Cuando anochece, decís: Buen tiempo; porque el cielo tiene arreboles.
    16:3 Y por la mañana: Hoy habrá tempestad; porque tiene arreboles el cielo nublado. ¡Hipócritas! que sabéis distinguir el aspecto del cielo, ¡mas las señales de los tiempos no podéis!
    16:4 La generación mala y adúltera demanda señal; pero señal no le será dada,
    sino la señal del profeta Jonás. Y dejándolos, se fue.

     
    16:5 Llegando sus discípulos al otro lado, se habían olvidado de traer pan.
    16:6 Y Jesús les dijo: Mirad, guardaos de la
    levadura de los fariseos y de los saduceos. (¿fiesta de las levaduras? ¿Porque PEDRO APARECE A MARIA LA MADRE DE JUAN MARCOS EN CONTEXTO A LA FIESTA DE LAS LEVADURAS en contexto a HECHOS 12:12? ¿PORQUE JUAN MARCOS ES UN NEO-JONAS YA QUE NO FUE CON PABLO A MALTA en contexto a HECHOS 12, 13, 14 Y 15?)
    16:7 Ellos pensaban dentro de sí, diciendo: Esto dice porque no trajimos pan.
    16:8 Y entendiéndolo Jesús, les dijo: ¿Por qué pensáis dentro de vosotros, hombres de poca fe, que no tenéis pan?
    16:9 ¿No entendéis aún, ni os acordáis de los cinco panes entre cinco mil hombres, y cuántas cestas recogisteis?
    16:10 ¿Ni de los siete panes entre cuatro mil, y cuántas canastas recogisteis?
    16:11 ¿Cómo es que no entendéis que no fue por el pan que os dije que os guardaseis de la
    levadura de los fariseos y de los saduceos?
    16:12 Entonces entendieron que no les había dicho que se guardasen de la levadura del pan, sino de la doctrina de los fariseos y de los saduceos. (Pan/Casa de Pan/ Bethlehem / Virgo / Raquel la madre de Benjamin/Perro/Lobo/Chacal)
    16:13 Viniendo Jesús a la región de Cesarea de Filipo, preguntó a sus discípulos, diciendo: ¿Quién dicen los hombres que es el Hijo del Hombre? (CESAREA DE PHI-LIPO ESTABA EN LA TRIBU DE DAN AL PIE DEL MONTE HERMON. DAN TIENE FUERTE NEXO CON LA VIUDA. EL CALENDARIO JULIANO NO FUE POR CASUALIDAD QUE DENOMINO A JULIO EL SEPTIMO MES Y EN FUNCION A LA ESTRELLA SIRIO. EL OJO OMNISCIENTE QUE APARECE EN LA PARTE SUPERIOR DE LA PIRAMIDE TRUNCADA SIMBOLIZA A SIRIO/UN OJO EN EL CIELO. EL CALENDARIO JULIANO-GREGORIANO DE ORIGEN EGIPCIO ESTA DISEÑADO EN FUNCION A LA ESTRELLA SIRIO. EL CALENDARIO DE NOE TENDRIA ESTE PATRON. SIRIO/CAN MAYOR/PERRO/LOBO/BENJAMIN.)

      Jonás, porque no te lo reveló carne ni sangre, sino mi Padre que está en los cielos. ("hijo de Jonas" tiene nexo con la "señal de Jonas". Simon, segun GENESIS 49, tambien tiene fuerte relacion con el TORO.)

    LA VIUDA PIDE JUSTICIA

     

     


    16:14 Ellos dijeron: Unos, Juan el Bautista; otros, Elías; y otros, Jeremías, o alguno de los profetas.
    16:15 El les dijo: Y vosotros, ¿quién decís que soy yo?
    16:16 Respondiendo Simón Pedro, dijo: Tú eres el Cristo, el Hijo del Dios viviente.
    16:17 Entonces le respondió Jesús: Bienaventurado eres, Simón, hijo de

     49:5 Simeón y Leví son hermanos; Armas de iniquidad sus armas.
    49:6 En su consejo no entre mi alma, Ni mi espíritu se junte en su compañía. Porque en su furor mataron hombres, Y en su temeridad desjarretaron toros. (Fijense que en estos dos versiculos tenemos la LETRA M) 

    16:18 Y yo también te digo, que
    tú eres Pedro, y sobre esta roca edificaré mi iglesia; y las puertas del Hades no prevalecerán contra ella. (NUMERO DE ORO) (MARIA MAGDALENA SIMBOLIZA A LA IGLESIA/NUEVA JERUSALEM. AQUI NUESTRO SEÑOR INDUDABLEMENTE BUSCA UN NEXO ESOTERICO CON SU ESPOSA Y EL GRIAL-S-OPHI-A/SABIDURIA-ONE EN EL BILLETE DE UN DOLAR ES UN ANAGRAMA DE NOE. 1618 ES UNA REFERENCIA AL NUMERO DE ORO PHI=1.618033 Y TAMBIEN A VENUS. PETRA/EDOM ES EL CAÑON DE LA LUNA CRECIENTE. Aqui, aparte de tener una conexion PLEYADIANA/TAURO, tambien tenemos una conexion con el PLANETA VENUS. ESTE PLANETA TIENE UN CICLO PENTAGONAL, EN FUNCION A LA SERIE DE FIBONACCI. Concretamente VENUS tiene un fuerte NEXO ALQUIMICO en funcion al NUMERO 5. LA CONEXION VENUS, EN EL CONTEXTO A PEDRO/SIMON HIJO DE JONAS / VATICANO ES UNA REFERENCIA A VENECIA, ADONDE segun la tradicion fue enterrado JUAN MARCOS. EN LA PELICULA DE INDIANA JONES "LA BUSQUEDA DEL SANTO GRIAL", JUSTAMENTE INDIANA viaja a VENECIA Y A PETRA (CAÑON DE LA LUNA CRECIENTE), adonde segun la BIBLIA murio MARIA, la hermana de MOISES.)

    El Número de Oro; Phi; la Divina Proporción

    Mas pruebas de que Marcos es Hijo de Cristo

     

    SALMOS 45:9/NUMERO DE ORO/1.618033/REINA VESTIDA CON ORO


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    SAULO AL SER BENJAMINITA TIENE UNA FUERTE RELACION CON ISIS (SIRIO=CAN MAYOR=PERRO =GOD=DOG=4/7 QUE ESTA RELACIONADO CON LA INDEPENDENCIA DE EEUU).
     
    TODO EL MENSAJE DE SAULO ES GRIALICO E INCLUSO TIENE RELACION CON LA LOBA ROMANA, ESPOSA DE MARTE Y MADRE DE ROMULO Y REMO (DOS COLUMNAS DEL 911).
     
    MARTE, OSEA LA ESPOSA DE LA LOBA ROMANA TIENE REFERENCIA A ISAAC Y LA LOBA MISMA A REBEKA, OSEA LA MADRE DE LOS MELLIZOS JACOB Y ESAU.
     
    TODOS NOS LLEVA A GALATAS 4:26,29
     
    SILVER GATE ESTA CRUZADO POR LA VIA LACTEA
     
    ALLI ESTA LA CLAVE DEL 911
     
    NUESTRA MADRE QUE ESTA EN EL CIELO
     
    GALATAS 4
    22.
    Porque está escrito que Abraham tuvo dos hijos; uno de la esclava, el otro de la libre. (CRISTO ES UN NUEVO ABRAHAM NUESTRO PADRE)
    23. Pero el de la esclava nació según la carne; mas el de la libre, por la promesa.
    24. Lo cual es una alegoría, pues estas mujeres son los dos pactos; el uno proviene del monte Sinaí, el cual da hijos para esclavitud; éste es Agar.
    25. Porque Agar es el monte Sinaí en Arabia, y corresponde a la Jerusalén actual, pues ésta, junto con sus hijos, está en esclavitud.
    26. Mas la Jerusalén de arriba, la cual es madre de todos nosotros, es libre. (NUEVA SARA=MARIA MAGDALENA)
    27. Porque está escrito:
    Regocíjate, oh estéril, tú que no das a luz;
    Prorrumpe en júbilo y clama, tú que no tienes dolores de parto;
    Porque más son los hijos de las desolada, que de la que tiene marido.
    28. Así que, hermanos, nosotros, como Isaac, somos hijos de la promesa. (La mujer de Isaac, osea Rebeka, es madre de los mellizos ESAU Y JACOB. ISAAC ES SIMBOLO DE MARCOS Y DE LA IGLESIA EN ESTE CONTEXTO. TODO EL 911, EN EL MARCO A LAS TORRES GEMELAS OSEA GEMINIS, LA ESTATUA DE LA LIBERTAD, OSEA ORION TIENE REFERENCIA A LA PUERTA DE PLATA=SILVER GATE. ESTE ES EL MENSAJE 911)
    29. Pero como entonces el que había nacido según la carne perseguía al que había nacido según el Espíritu, así también ahora.
    30. Mas ¿qué dice la Escritura? Echa fuera a la esclava y a su hijo, porque no heredará el hijo de la esclava con el hijo de la libre.
    31.
    De manera, hermanos, que no somos hijos de la esclava, sino de la libre.
     
    POR ESO SAULO ES ROMANO.
     
    TODO TIENE LA MISMA REFERENCIA.
     
    ESTO EXPLICA LA FUERTE RELACION DE LA INDEPENDENCIA DE EEUU CON SIRIO.
     
    SAU-LO/E-SAU/USA/EEUU
    ISRAEL/ISIS-RA-EL (OSIRIS=ORION)
    BIBLIA=EGIPTOLOGIA
    GOLDEN GATE (PUERTA DE DIOS-PUERTA DE ORO)=21/22 DE DICIEMBRE
    SILVER GATE (PUERTA DEL HOMBRE-PUERTA DE PLATA)=20 DE JUNIO
    ARGENTUM (PUERTA DE PLATA)
    GEMINIS EQUIVALEN A LAS TORRES GEMELAS
     
    COLUMNAS DE JACHIN Y BOAZ
     
    SOL-O-MON=SOL Y LUNA
    MISMA FORMA DE ORION
    ESTATUA DE LA LIBERTAD ES ORION
    43. Santiago 1:25: Mas el que mira atentamente en la perfecta ley, la de la LIBERTAD, y persevera en ella, no siendo oidor olvidadizo, sino hacedor de la obra, éste será bienaventurado en lo que hace.
    Tenemos también la palabra profética más segura, a la cual hacéis bien en estar atentos como a una antorcha que alumbra en lugar oscuro, hasta que el día esclarezca y el LUCERO de la mañana salga en vuestros corazones;
    32. Marcos 1:19: Pasando de allí un poco más adelante, vio a Jacobo hijo de Zebedeo, y a JUAN su hermano, también ellos en la barca, que remendaban las redes. (EL MISMO MARCOS CONFIRMA LA INTERRELACION DE LAS DOS TORRES GEMELAS CON LOS DOS HIJOS DE MARIA DE SALOME EN EL CONTEXTO A SANTIAGO DE COMPOSTELA-CAMINO DE SANTIAGO) 
     
    VIA LACTEA / GALATAS 4:26 (UNGIMIENTO DE BETANIA) / LETRA G/ GOD / GOLD / GRIAL / DOG / GNOSIS / ESPIRAL / 7-4 / 4-7 / INDEPENDENCIA DE EEUU EN CANCER/GEMINIS
     

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    SOLSTICIO 21 JUN: Sol visible, Orión invisible
    SOLSTICIO 21 DIC: Sol invisible, Orión visible

    Cada 21 de junio, en solsticio, la nave espacial Tierra está ante el Sol y la constelación de Orión, de modo que al MEDIODÍA de dicho solsticio Orión está debajo del Sol, aunque no lo distingamos debido a la luz solar. Después, durante 6 meses, la Tierra da media órbita y se coloca entre el Sol y Orión, y por tanto tenemos visión de Orión en la noche, y concretamente en la MEDIANOCH...E vemos a Orión en el mismo punto del cielo que en el mediodía del otro solsticio, hace 6 meses.

    La primera imagen es una foto de la posición del Sol hecha en Madrid a las 12 del mediodía del 21 de junio, y se le ha añadido la invisible constelación de Orión. La segunda es una foto hecha desde el mismo punto 6 meses después, a las 12 de la medianoche del 21 de diciembre, y la cámara capta las estrellas de Orión y la estrella Sirio.

    http://solarsystemscope.com/
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    Jesus/MM thing....obviously it was important

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    How did Magdalene get in the Story of Jesus? ....She saw him at the Resurection
    At the Holy Sepulcher
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    Magdalene saw him at the Crucifixion
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    Poussin Lamentation
    http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/nicolas ... ngs-189877
    there are three women ...three Marys...Magdalene is one of them and cherubs or depending on the seer a child and a cherub crying
    whose child is he?

    Lazarus rising
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    Mary of Bethany or Magdalene?....but she is there

    She is taught by Jesus

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    She is here too

    It seems the Jesus/MM thing had a few paintings made about the subject ....It is part of the story

    _________________
    Everything is Connected and there are no
    coincidences
    http://forum.andrewgough.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4241

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    Monte Hor

    De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
     

    El monte Hor (hebreo: הֹר הָהָר, Hor Har Ha) es el nombre dado en el Antiguo Testamento a dos montañas distintas. Una de ellas está en la tierra de Edom en la orilla oriental del Mar Muerto (en la actual Jordania), la otra cerca del mar Mediterráneo en la frontera norte de la tierra de Israel.

     

     

    El monte Hor, en Edom[editar]

    Monte Harun.

    Este monte Hor se encuentra en el borde de la tierra de la Edom. (Números 33:37). Es el lugar donde Aarón falleció. Desde Josefo se ha identificado con Jebel Nebi Harun (Montaña del Profeta Aarón en árabe), una doble montaña con su punto máximo a 4780 metros sobre el nivel del mar, en las montañas de Edom en el lado este del valle Arabá, Jordania. En la cumbre hay un santuario donde se cree que está la tumba de Aarón. Según Josefo, esta montaña rodeaba la ciudad edomita de Petra. (Antigüedades Judías, libro IV, cap. IV, sec. 7.)

    Algunos investigadores en torno al siglo XX disienten de esta identificación, como H. Clay Trumbull[1] que prefiere el Jebel Madara, un pico al noroeste de Ain Kadis.

    El monte Hor, en la frontera norte[editar]

    El otro monte Hor se menciona en Números 34:7,8, definiendo el límite norte de Israel. Tradicionalmente se identifica con las Montañas Nur conocidas también como Amanus.

     
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Hor
     
     
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    Horse Gate (Jerusalem)
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    Nehemiah 3:28 Above the horse gate repaired the priests, everyone over against his own house.

    Jeremiah 31:40 The whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields to the brook Kidron, to the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy to Yahweh; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more forever.

     
     
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    Hor-haggidgad
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    Numbers 33:32 They traveled from Bene Jaakan, and encamped in Hor Haggidgad.

    Numbers 33:33 They traveled from Hor Haggidgad, and encamped in Jotbathah.

     
     
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    22. Y partiendo de Cades los hijos de Israel, toda aquella congregación, vinieron al monte de Hor. (¿LA CONSTELACION DE OR-ION NO TENDRA RELACION CON EL MONTE DE HOR?)
    LA MISMA LETRA H TIENE LA FORMA DE ORION

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    Hor-haggidgad
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    Numbers 33:32 They traveled from Bene Jaakan, and encamped in Hor Haggidgad.

    Numbers 33:33 They traveled from Hor Haggidgad, and encamped in Jotbathah.


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    I want to bring to your attention that clock and that symbol of Ra. Unless you're standing right in that spot in front of the Fathers SON....below the astronomical clock....you will not see that hidden symbol.....You also see in this picture three circles as well as the Ra symbol in conjunction....like the three planets in the post above.....




    http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk/somerset/wellscathedral1.html


    Here you can see the tower crossing roof through one of the scissor arches. There is one of these scissor structures on each of three sides of the crossing.

    Three sides of the Crossing?!?

    How about that clock?



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    The Wells Cathedral clock is an astronomical clock in the north transept of Wells Cathedral, England. The clock is one of the group of famous 14th to 16th century astronomical clocks to be found in the West of England. The surviving mechanism, dated to between 1386 and 1392, was replaced in the 19th century, and was eventually moved to the Science Museum in London, where it continues to operate. The dial represents the geocentric view of the universe, with sun and moon revolving round a central fixed earth. It may be unique in showing a philosophical model of the pre-Copernican universe.
     
    Another dial is mounted on the outside wall, driven from the same mechanism. This was first installed in the 14th or 15th centuries, but has been restored a number of times.

    The dial proposes a model of the universe. Against a background of stars, the sun (the large gilded star on the outer ring) moves in a circle, and indicates the time using the 24-hour analogue dial, which is marked in Roman numerals from I to XII, then from I to XII again. Noon is at the top of the dial reflecting the position of the sun in the sky at this time.

    In the corners, four angels hold the four cardinal winds. These may be generating the power that makes the universe operate.
    The minutes are indicated by a smaller star on the ring inside.

    The inner circle shows the moon. A pointer indicates the age of the moon, between 1 and 30 days. The black and white disk above the center shows the moon's phase. The white disk rotates once in a synodic month. The inscription around the moon phase indicator says sphericus archetypum globus hic monstrat microcosmum, which translates as This spherical globe here shows the archetypal microcosm. Howgrave-Graham suggests that the scribe erroneously put microcosmum, when macrocosmum is the more obvious word. Opposite the moon circle is a weighted pivoted disc, containing a small painting of Phoebe, representing the moon.The inscription reads: Sic peragrat Phobe, or So progresses Phoebe.

    At the center of the dial, the ball represents the earth, and the clouds suggest the same.

    Above the clock and to the right is a figure, known as Jack Blandifers, who hits bells with a hammer held in his right hand and by hitting his heels on two bells hung beneath him. A set of jousting knights also chase each other every 15 minutes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Cathedral_clock

    Just a note:

    In Greek mythology "radiant" Phoebe , was one of the original Titans, who were one set of sons and daughters of Uranus and Gaia. She was traditionally associated with the moon (see Selene), as in Michael Drayton's Endimion and Phœbe, (1595), the first extended treatment of the Endymion myth in English. Her consort was her brother Coeus, with whom she had two daughters, Leto, who bore Apollo and Artemis, and Asteria, a star-goddess who bore an only daughter Hecate.

    Who else represented the moon? That would be Thoth...the once SCRIBE of PTAH: Until he got a little too smart for Ptah and was sent packing to south America to build his own Pyramid of the Sun....Where he does what?


    He has the Mayan's develope the Mayan calendar, and a baktun with a period of 144,000 days!




    So...standing in front of the Christ if you look up to the sky....above the clock....you can see the cross of Ptah and the Sun god hieroglyph. yet if you move away to another position it's not so obvious...it's rather hidden.


    So back to my question.....Three sides of the crossing? Well we're back to Exodus, Moses, his magic rod, what about three crossings?

    Check it!

    The Exodus Puzzle
    This article examines a very complex topic: the ancient route of Exodus of the Israelites from their departure in Egypt to their arrival in the Promised Land. The most puzzling aspects of Exodus are:
    The site of Red Sea Crossing where Pharaoh’s army drowned
    The location of Mt. Sinai where Yahweh spoke to Moses and gave the Law
    The details of the last 38 years of wilderness wandering (38....3+8=11)
    The Pharaoh of Exodus who followed the Israelites but drowned in the Red Sea
    If you inspect the Exodus route maps in Bible atlases you will be surprised how many versions are out there. Just about all the versions choose a Red Sea crossing in the border of Egypt, either through some lakes in the border area or through the northern tip of the Gulf of Suez. Mt. Sinai is marked in southern Sinai as Jebel Musa. This location is famous also for the St. Catherine’s monastery established in the 6th century AD.



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    http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bibl...ing-red-sea-crossing-points-kadesh-barnea.htm


    Many preachers realize that only 3 of the 50 locations are known for sure of the exodus route and conclude we cannot know and it doesn't matter anyway. Consequently, very little effort is put into analyzing many of the exodus routes.

    They did not take the direct eastern route called "the way of the land of the Philistines",

    Exodus 13:17-18: which was also known as the "Way of Horus", where Egypt had a series of defensive outposts filled with garrisons of soldiers dotted along this route.

    The fort of Tjaru, also called Tharo, was an ancient Egyptian fortress along the major road from Egypt to Canaan. Known as ‘the way of Horus’, the road was extremely important for both travel and trade – and in times of war, whoever controlled the road essentially controlled the territory. Previously known only through descriptions and images, archaeologists have finally uncovered the fort itself – and it turns out that this fort was one of the largest fortresses to have existed during the Pharonic era in ancient Egypt.



    http://ancientstandard.com/2007/10/21/the-fortress-of-kings-ca-1500-–-1000-bc/

    Now....there was a battle between Set and Horus:

    Which divided the house.... The cult of Osiris and the cult of Set went to battle. It was through this battle the story of Set/Osiris/Isis...and the "Resurrection" was told.



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    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t4256p90-theater-of-parallel-universe?highlight=theater+of+the+paralle+universe
     


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